Saigon - Belly Of The Beast (The Scram Jones Files)

Yeah saigon is dope

Mmm fucking hot mixtape, "All I Know" Is a dope one too! "I snatch the chain out the texas saw, how's that for a metaphor?"

the record label being white operated doesnt have anything 2 do with it

yes it does because they dont waNT him relasing good uplifting music they want minstral rap that amkes black people look like a bunch of idiots

i think ur forgetting that major labels have put out kweli, common, a tribe called quest, mos def etc etc alot of conscious rap has been put out. RECORD COMPANIES ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING MONEY so if saigon expresion his political views is gonna sell then the companies are gonna put it out. Just Blaze told every1 y the album was held up because of a sample. Saigon was just frustred when he put up that blog and who could blame him i mean hes been waited 2 release this album 4 months but legal issues take time and its understandle 4 an artist 2 b fed up wit the legal process but its a part of the business so get ur weight up b4 u start usein racial slurs and sayin o the "Crackas" is keepin this record locked away

I know u dumbass i know bout da fuckin sample i know bout dontcha baby not gettin cleared cause some rock band doesnt like rap. I know. wat AM SAYIN IS THAT HE WONT GET DA FUCKIN promotion he deserves u think altantic cares about Saigon polictal rap? BECAUSE IT DOESNT SELL if it sold dead prez would be 50 cent rich rite now.ALtantic dont give a shit bout saigon HHDX: So who is that barrier then? If it’s not Just Blaze, if it’s not Sickamore, if it’s not Hip-Hop Since 1978, who’s the barrier to putting this album out? Saigon: It’s the powers that be [at Atlantic]. If they were turning down the music, if we were submitting music and they were saying it’s not good enough that’d be one thing. But they hear the music and they go, “Oh it’s great. We love it!” And then nothing happens. My album is geared toward the upliftment of black people. I don’t know if they’re scared of that. I don’t know if they don’t think it’s gonna sell. But there has to be balance in music. And I guess they want the detriment rap. That’s not me. At the end of the day I gotta look in the mirror. I can’t do that. oh yea CRACKER CRACKER

o it political rap doesnt sell that can u tell who the FUCK IS PUBLIC ENEMY? A TRIBE CALLED QUEST SELLS who sells is not always just about talent there is alot of luck involved people take 2some groups and not 2 others like ur example dead prez who have the talent but people didnt take 2 them. Atlantic gave saigon a big contract better than other new artists so 2 think there not gonna push his album just isnt logical. o yea n 2 ur cracker cracker comment. I FEEL BAD 4 UR IGNORANCE maybe thats ur problem ur more racist then the execs at atlantic and u think theyre up there just saying fuck this porch monkey an shit but there not. There prob like how can we make money which is ALLLLLL they care about

lmfao listen man whateva duke it all good we both agree saigon is da truth lets just leave it at that am not trying to be on no internet beef lol

yea true story

...one hell of a beef! for real their the next gen

whut up? I'm feelin saigon more than i feel pap. they both talented as fuck but saigon delivers all dem hood community problems with such ill approach!! I feel like saigon cares more.. His flow in every track is so studied and well composed like he's got 10 albums! for me Saigon is a street vet, he's lived the shit that the other rappers talk bout but neva done! I dont know if he ever makes a huge rappin career wit a superstar status or he ends to be one more underated rapper but he the type of nigga that niggas in the hood wanna hear! I see pap doin all this moves, doin songs with dre and shit, its obvious this nigga wants to be raps next blow out.. He seemes to care more bout if people gonna bump'im in dem clubs than dem critical hood matters! I mean where dem all good shit like "law library". I've heard i lotta garbage they last couple of months by him that makes me think! I hope he keeps the best thing for his album! and i hope dis nigga not turned out to be the next 50 Cent.. I hope i'll be proven wrong but i do think that "nacirena dream" gonna be a dissapoinment from the lyrical "meaningfull content".. if ya understand what i'm sayin.. This mixtape is anotha Lyrical Masterpiece(even though many of this songs r old), wit decent beats! Anotha street classic fo sure! the best thing i've heard in months definatly! PS: SPEAKIN OF NORE: Dont forget who made Noreaga! Who wrote his "War Report" rhymes that all niggas love! tragedy Khadafi the Best rapper alive, the most lyrical alive! Dont confuse situations my peoples.. Word. Peace out to my Byrdgang homie Stack Bundles, RIP homie!

Yes Saigon is all good - but that's no excuse to start dissin' Papoose you fucking moron. So jimmypenis or whatever yo name is: what do you base your idea that Papoose's album will be a 'dissapoinment from the lyrical "meaningfull content"'?!? on? Anyone who has ears can hear that Papoose is a supremely gifted emcee and to suggest otherwise would make you an absolute imbecile. Are you suggesting that Papoose will go on to make music for: "dem clubs"?!?!? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR COTTON PICKIN' MIND???????????!!!!!!!!!!!! Papoose ain't no and will NEVER be a cross-over club emcee - YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK. Then u go on to show how stupid you are by misspelling the title of Papoose's album - it's called NACIREMA dream you damn jackass and the true heads sampled that joint MONTHS AGO - here you go Mr.know-it-all: http://www.torrentspy.com/torrent/678601/Papoose_The_Nacirema_Dream_Advance_TORRENTLOUNGE_COM Go listen to that, come back and tell me it ain't THE shit. Scratch that - I think I speak for everyone who is sick of the constant TRASH that comes out of yo mouth by saying: DON'T EVER COME BACK. V/H/S

say what grandpa? am i readin dis right? Jesuuuss get off my dick for a minute, u straight hater!! I mean its fuckin obvious you hatin but i aint gonna get into all this to dissin each other.. I just posted my opinion here and u come right at me, u got mad issues but too bad we cant solv'em face to face! Instead of this can u please answer to my questions..... 1. Once again what think u gaining by doin all that wack dissin on a forum?? 2. Does you're hole life depends on what i'm sayin?? 3. Where exactly did u see me on dissin pap?? 4.Have u heard me sayin papoose isnt a gifted mc?? 5.Do u honestly believe that i dont think papoose is one top 5 rap prospects?? I expressed a simple concern bout paps albums! 6. DIDNT I SAY I HOPE I'LL BE PROVEN WRONG??? but anyway 7. have u(!!) heard pap's album yet and u so definate(and dont talk to me bout retails and shit)?? Man fuck this u betta check all dem old forums of papoose mixtapes, i'm sure u gonna find my comments on'em. Shit u dickrida, i've always been sayin that Papoose, saigon, ransom, uncle murda, j-hood r the next hottest things!!!! Anybody here can tell u this..Matter of fact show me one fuckin comment i made against pap!! 8. Wasnt the one backin new york's rap future, back then against dem Dirty South's fan in dem old forums?? 9. Wasnt the one sayin that no young nigga from the south and the west can be compared wit Saigon, Papoose, J-Hood & Ransom??? 10. Is u fuckin crazy?? Man dont be gettin ridiculous, i thought u were smarter than hatin!!! Stop hatin on my people opinions. an thats fo real fo real!! oh and " Dont come back" where??? WHAT THE FUCK R U SAYIN??? once again dont act so riiculous and childish! When u gon grow up??

If you can't man up and admit to down playing Papoose then i'm not obliged to answer shit you ask of me you begger-ass-begger. I'm looking at what you wrote right now and it's there for everyone to see. no debate. nothing. be a man. you said: jimmyvanis: He seemes to care more bout if people gonna bump'im in dem clubs than dem critical hood matters You are suggesting that Papoose is for the club and not the streets - that is an insult and you know it. Not only is it insulting it is also incorrect. Go listen to PAPOOSE - 50 SHOTS (SEAN BELL) - if that track ain't about 'dem critical hood matters' then I don't know what is?!? grow up? you the one with the 4th grade grammer so i'll grow up when you can speak & spell - deal? i'm also very familiar with ur 'proud' forum history - you get mad abuse on EVERY subject you speak on right? In fact, you get so much abuse round here that you should be sitting on Michael Jackson's lap or have R.Kelly pissin' in yo face right now instead of talking about issues you don't and will never understand. V/H/S ps~ It don't take a genius to know that nothing fucks with the birth place of Hip-Hop and to even spend time arguing that point makes you a str8 up chump.

Shit son i had my suspicious but i'm sure now that you're not even 17 years old! The thing with me is THAT I LOVE PAP! And of most of all I DEPEND ON NIGGAS LIKE PAP!! Ya hear me? NY RAP DEPENDS ON NIGGAS LIKE PAP!! U so stupid that u even questioned that!! But look where the hatred can take u at!! I DIDNT DOWNPLAYED ANYONE, I EXRESSED MY CONCERN!!!! ya dig? I got news for ya, A Concern is not A Diss!true story! "Talkin bout issues you dont and will never understand". WHAT THA FUCK, DIS ADRESSED TO ME?? Do u believe the shit that comin out ya mouth, realy?? U fuckin geek i live rap every simple day of my life, from the streets side of things! Ya dig? And not from my pc! True nigga from the streets, das what all i am! You the type of dudes that rap's all bout mixtapetorrent, forums and shit for'em!! What, u gonna talk to me bout rap now bitch!!! get ya mind right junior, think before talkin!! Have u ever been at least in studio booth?? i AINT GONNA TALK BOUT THE STREETS, SHIT'S OBVIOUS!! few cats in this site comin from the streets! YOU THE ONE YOU DONT UNDERSTAND SHIT OF WHAT U HEARIN CAUSE U NEVA LIVED IT!! U just listen to it! Ps: Spellin? Fuck u think dis is, school, and u the first desk geek?? Kid dont worry i aint gonna be your bully!! D/V/D And fo real i dont give afuck what more u gonna say, once again u losin the point! fuck, everybody here knows that u started a whole shit from nothin, U started a personal dissin just because i stated my opinion, i stated my concern!! Man aint this tha wackest thing to do..

I met Saigon only last week - who's the geek now son? Anyway, wasn't YOU the nerdy faggot that said: jimmyvanis: Wasnt (I) the one backin new york's rap future, back then against dem Dirty South's fan in dem old forums?? Why don't u leave 'dem old forums' you always braggin' bout posting on, get out in 'dem' streets and go see some of 'dem' acts you claim to know all about. 17? not at all. i'm old enough to be yo daddy punk. How come u ain't seen Saigon yet? too young to get in 'dem' clubs huh? Studio booth? The only booth you be in is 'dem' gay wank booth - homo-ass e-thug. Peace to Saigon / fuck-a-jimmypenis. V/H/S

jimmyvanis was just expressing his views and opinions. All he was sayin' was that some of Paps new ish is a bit more watered down than most of his older stuff. And since his album droppin' soon he is concerned that it might be watered down also. The only way I noticed that he dissed Pap was by him IMPLYING that Saigon is a street vet and Papoose isn't. Which, as far as I know, is not true. Papoose been in the streets forever. I think Papoose is just makin' sure his album reaches out to people that haven't really heard him before. Which is a smart move for your first album. Van-Hell-Sin you do need to relax a bit. But you are definitely justified by defending Pap by sayin' he's not a cross over artist. I'm almost 100% positive that Papoose will not go commercial in his rap career. By thinkin' he is gonna turn into some commercial artist based on a couple new songs shows disloyalty to Papoose, which can easily be mistaken for a diss. So, you both got your points but there is no need for the harsh words. Knowledge is Power. "You can drink ya hatarade and eat ya pohata chips, n*ggas like y'all is caught in the Hatrix/ But I got a hitsquad that leave hater dead, wit' a f*ckin' hole in ya Mr.Pohata head" -Saigon Support the real artists. B-More signin' out...1

...shame I don't listen to anything 50 Cent fans have say to tho, but I guess that being down with G-Unit would make u an expert on commercial music so I thank you for the 'insight'. Anyone knows that IMPLYING or SUGGESTING is just sitting on the fence. If you think Papoose is gonna turn out wack then have balls to say it instead of 'IMPLYING or SUGGESTING' like a fucking coward. Papoose is a lyrical king and should be treated like royallty not downplayed because just cuz Saigon has a good tape out. that is wrong. Yea Papoose did a song with Dre and i'm not gonna lie and say that I liked it but that's no reason to start saying "Papoose is this, Papoose is that blah blah blah..." To even IMPLY or SUGGEST that a special talent such as Papoose will become a sellout, with no BASIS or FACTS to back it up, makes no sense and might very well explain why some people say real Hip-Hop is dead. it ain't. It's just that most Hip-Hop fans (jimmyvanis) view talanted artists as they would a character in a day-time soap opera or wrestling . It's like: "he's my favorite, so he's no good rah, rah, rah..." and that outlook, in my view, is childish, pathetic and ultimatly destructive to Hip-Hop itself. V/H/S

van hell Once again, u think a funny du like u cant talk to me bout streets! So u street now, hah?? 1.U went to saigon on his live shit and u think thats street? U braggin bout that? How funny's that? And what u took his autograh!!!! 2.U said that u old enough to be my dad, well pap that makes u bout 44+! 3.U 44 and u still goin to niggas' live shits?? Still going to concerts? (0h what a fucked up dad, i'm feelin sorry for ya son) - Or u so fucked up that in u're 44 hasnt been married yet?? 4.U Old enough to be my dad and u usin all that fucked up language in a forum! 5.U Old enough to be my dad and u doin all dis personal diss to a nigga that stated an opinion? 6.U old enough to be my dad and u sayin fuck -a-jimmypenis. Have u even finsished school? 7.If u r so old to be my dad then u're life must be real dissapointin. Find a job dad, or u gonna tell me u live wit u're pension! ps: u realy want me to tell ya how many rappers i've met and how many friends i got in dis music biz! If this funny du right here who claims to be old like my dad aint understand yet how ridiculous he's been then demn! WHAT MORE CAN I SAY! Dad here's an advice gather up your pieces..stop makin u're self look so ridiculous by replying and sayin even more bullshit everytime! Let dem niggas express this(mixtapetorrent) aint ya shit... KEEP MY NAME OUT YA MOUTH - enough been said

Yo' Jimmyanus, When I met Saigon I was showing my respect - something you clearly lack when speaking of Papoose. You just mad cuz the only live show you ever been was a gay peep show. You seem as confused about my age as you do ur sexuality. young? old? which is it? Why does age matter so much to you anyway? are u so tired of taking everyone else abuse round here that it has turned u into one of 'dem' online perverts? Stop trying to find out my age of consent and go groom somebody else you fruity lil bastard. Married? there you go again, trying to find out about my personal life and shit... We speak about Hip-Hop in here son - This ain't no dating service. oooooo! look's like I done touched a nerve! you speak alot about 'dad' don't you? what's the matter ~ did he leave when jimmypenis the crackbaby was born? Waaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!! Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! stop crying... V/H/S

yo dog im not sure where u got this whole jimmy is gay thing from. I mean he didnt say shit thats gay he stated his opinon. Maybe ur the one hopin some dude is gonna make a gay pass at u or something. hahahahah

What are you his boyfriend?

very intelligent

this shit better be good for all yall to be sweatin them keypboards,, buy fuckit anywayz,,mxtptornt iz hookin me up wit sum free shit, lets change the subject to som'n else like how the south and the west SUCK DICK AND WILL REMAIN CHEEZY, CORNY, AND GAY, no matter how hard they try or what cornball gimmick they be comin up wit. peace. hee hee hee

aight nigga sum new york rappers are koo n all but wat duz west coast niggaz n dirty south niggaz gotta do wit dis??

blockhead you just need to respect the music. If you think everybody from the west and the south suck you're a full blown hater. I've heard a lot of that on this site lately. You ain't giving anybody a chance, and by sayin' that there is no way you can be listenin' right. I think what you mean is that there are just too many rappers and not enough time to listen to em all. You just gotta look a lil' harder to find somebody that is worth listenin' to. There are some artists comin' up outta the south and the west that got some real talent, fo' real. Lisssten a bit harder. But for anybody to say that they don't f*ck wit' a whole coast don't make any sense. It's 2007, not 1995. "You can drink ya hatarade and eat ya pohata chips, n*ggas like y'all is caught in the Hatrix/ But I got a hitsquad that leave hater dead, wit' a f*ckin' hole in ya Mr.Pohata head" -Saigon Support the real artists. B-More signin' out...1

u think maino is gonna b the future he aint even the best underground artist in brooklyn in my opinion. Id much rather listen 2 pap or uncle murda!